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Juhana Harju
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:36 am    Post subject: Re: Scientists Uncover Protein's Weight-Loss Secrets (Scripp Reply with quote

Joe the Aroma wrote:
: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
: news:3thnb7Fsnu5uU1@individual.net...
: <snip>
:
: You're an absolute tart:

I love you too. :-D

: What you believe is a myth.
I do not have to believe anything. I have read The Okinawa Program book
written by the Okinawan centenarian study lead scientists (Willcox, Willcox
& Suzuki). The book is based on their studies. They know what the diet of
the Okinawan centenarians looks like. These Okinawan centenarians eat less
than *2*% meat, eggs and dairy daily (pork is consumed mainly in
festivities) - very little. Tofu and fish each account 11-12% of the diet
(page 71). These amounts are by weight. Read the book and you'll know more.

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Juhana

"...the cure of many diseases is unknown to the physicians of
Hellas, because they are ignorant of the whole, which ought to be
studied also..."
- Plato, Charmides dialogues
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: Scientists Uncover Protein's Weight-Loss Secrets (Scripp Reply with quote

"Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3thp9vFstllfU1@individual.net...
Quote:
Joe the Aroma wrote:
: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
: news:3thnb7Fsnu5uU1@individual.net...
: <snip
:
: You're an absolute tart:

I love you too. :-D

: What you believe is a myth.
I do not have to believe anything. I have read The Okinawa Program book
written by the Okinawan centenarian study lead scientists (Willcox,
Willcox
& Suzuki). The book is based on their studies. They know what the diet of
the Okinawan centenarians looks like. These Okinawan centenarians eat less
than *2*% meat, eggs and dairy daily (pork is consumed mainly in
festivities) - very little. Tofu and fish each account 11-12% of the diet
(page 71). These amounts are by weight. Read the book and you'll know
more.

--
Juhana

Well nearly everything I have read mentions that pork is a huge, huge part
of their diet.
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Don Kirkman
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:37 am    Post subject: Re: Scientists Uncover Protein's Weight-Loss Secrets (Scripp Reply with quote

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Juhana Harju wrote in article
<3tgekmFskd57U1@individual.net>:

Quote:
tunderbar@hotmail.com wrote:
: Robert wrote:

:: Nothing is self-evident. It must be observed and studied under
:: controlled circumstances and this is science.

: Low carb has been observed and studied under controlled circumstances
: and is poised at the third phase where many mainstream medical now not
: only regard it as self-evident but are starting to insist that that
: was what they were saying from day one. It is getting harder and
: harder for anyone to deny low-carb.

There is no evidence that it is a healthy long-term eating pattern. No one
does know the effects of low-carb diets to mortality in long term. At the
moment the longest lived populations are eating diets which are quite low in
protein, like the Okinawan elders or the vegetarian Seventh Day Adventists.

Aren't protein-rich soy preparations a substantial part of the foods SDA
adherents substitute for animal protein? I seem to recall that being
true of the SDA folks in my extended family a few decades ago. Do you
have figures the actual protein intake of Adventists these days?
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Don Kirkman
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Scientists Uncover Protein's Weight-Loss Secrets (Scripp Reply with quote

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Joe the Aroma wrote in article
<43739c73$0$563$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>:


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"Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3thetaFt0sonU1@individual.net...
Joe the Aroma wrote:
: I believe they consume more pork per capita in Okinawa then the United
: States actually.

Cite a reliable reference, please.

[. . .]

Quote:
Straits Times, JUL 3 1999
-------------------------
Pork producers have been calling on Japanese consumers to eat more
of the meat in order to fight loss of physical strength during the
summer

With Japan's notoriously hot and sultry summer now in full swing,
pork producers are once again calling on Japanese consumers to eat
more of the meat in order to fight natsubate -- the loss of physical
strength due to the high humidity and searing temperatures.

[Literally, "summer exhaustion"]

Quote:
Pork worked wonders, they said, because it contained a high
concentration of vitamin B-1 which, among other things, helped to
combat fatigue. In fact, pork is said to contain 15 times more B-1
than beef and 12 times more than chicken and is also rich in other
B-group vitamins.

When I lived in Japan in the 1960s a young researcher from the Japanese
Agriculture Ministry (I've long since forgotten the exact name) dropped
by my house occasionally to pick up a little more English. He was part
of a group researching lower-fat hogs that had been developed in, IIRC,
Norway or Sweden and studying the feasibility of importing the strain to
Japan. Obviously this emphasis on the use of pork is not all that
recent a development in the Japanese diet.

[. . .]
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Don Kirkman
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Juhana Harju
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: Scientists Uncover Protein's Weight-Loss Secrets (Scripp Reply with quote

Don Kirkman wrote:
: It seems to me I heard somewhere that Juhana Harju wrote in article
: <3tgekmFskd57U1@individual.net>:
:
:: tunderbar@hotmail.com wrote:
::: Robert wrote:
:
:::: Nothing is self-evident. It must be observed and studied under
:::: controlled circumstances and this is science.
:
::: Low carb has been observed and studied under controlled
::: circumstances and is poised at the third phase where many
::: mainstream medical now not only regard it as self-evident but are
::: starting to insist that that was what they were saying from day
::: one. It is getting harder and harder for anyone to deny low-carb.
:
:: There is no evidence that it is a healthy long-term eating pattern.
:: No one does know the effects of low-carb diets to mortality in long
:: term. At the moment the longest lived populations are eating diets
:: which are quite low in protein, like the Okinawan elders or the
:: vegetarian Seventh Day Adventists.
:
: Aren't protein-rich soy preparations a substantial part of the foods
: SDA adherents substitute for animal protein? I seem to recall that
: being true of the SDA folks in my extended family a few decades ago.
: Do you have figures the actual protein intake of Adventists these
: days?

I have read about the macronutrient composition of vegetarians in general,
but I did not find any specific data about protein intake of SDA's from
Medline. However, in the guidelines on the site below SDA's are guided to
keep their protein intake between 10 and 15 percent of energy. That would
denote adequate but quite low protein intake.

http://adventist.org.au/services/health/living_healthy/nutrition_advice/eating_for_health


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Juhana

"...the cure of many diseases is unknown to the physicians of
Hellas, because they are ignorant of the whole, which ought to be
studied also..."
- Plato, Charmides dialogues
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